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This place is rich for the info I need... But so lots of messages here, oh my god! Bye.
Good work, webmaster! Nice site! What hosting service do you use?
Cool!.. Nice work!
[edit] Since July 2006
[edit] Proposed Georgia Move
As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 04:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Are we a Community or what?
Hi ya Sam! It's been a while since we've chatted. I know you're busy, but I just thought I'd let you know that the main Community article is now (finally) becoming a hot topic. Any help and input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! WP:CBTF • CQ 21:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (tractor)
[edit] License tagging for Image:Racelegs.jpg
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[edit] long-lost niece!
Hi Sammy, this is your favorite niece- hope I found you on the net! I heard that you're planning to coming to my wedding- my question now is, are you? Thomas and I would be thrilled, of course! I heard you had some contact to Ursula, and she tried mailing to you but didn't receive an answer. If you're coming, when will you arrive here? How many nights are you planning on staying? Thanks and hope to see you soon, Love, Miriam P.S.: You can answer me at miriambaudis@web.de
[edit] Concerning your Portal Proposal
I noticed you proposed Portal:Presenting Wikipedia and it was summarily blocked by those who opposed it. This appears to have been in violation of Wikipedia's policy Wikipedia is not censored. Therefore I've nominated the portal approval process page for deletion. The discussion and voting page can be found at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals. --Transhumanist 16:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject Community News
The Community WikiProject has had an overhaul and new developments are afoot! We are putting in place some tools for classifying, categorizing and assessing community-related content on Wikipedia. Please have a look at the Tools section on the project page.
Also, the Community article has been identified by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team as a Core Topic, one of the 150 most important articles for any encyclopedia to have. This article is undergoing a massive collaborative rewrite in which you may want to be involved!
[edit] Pictures
Hello ! We need pictures of Boston, see here, thanks.
[edit] Your AMA statement was deleted
Your AMA statement was deleted apparently carelessly from the AMA statements page (see this edit)if your statement needs to be restored, the text is at User:Pedant/AMA error Pedant 02:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vote on Fir0002 FPC set
Hi Sj!
Hope you can stop by here and leave your much appreciated thoughts. Thanks! --Fir0002 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Language template
Hi Sj. Are you aware of Brian0918 and Raul's renewed attempt to cut languages from the Main Page language template? There is a discussion at Talk:Main Page that you might want to add your thoughts to. It also seems to me that this is an especially insensitive move heading into Wikimania, where we are attempting to demonstrate Wikipedia's internationalism and the English Wikipedia's (and its many American users) sensitivity to other Wikipedias. Best, Tfine80 15:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Wikipediatoc-main
Template:Wikipediatoc-main has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (notifying you as creator :) --Quiddity 04:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please do me a favor
Sj: Whenever you write something like Fernanda Viégas, and you know that the person is already editing at W, please be sure to add Template:Notable_Wikipedian to the talk page - I have done so for you in this case. Thx. (I am that guy who keeps sending David W. all of those emails). Have fun at Wikimania! Say Hello to David for me. -- 64.175.41.78 11:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] wikimania awards
hi, i saw a list of finalists at the wikimania site and am wondering what happens now? when will the winners be chosen? cheers. Zzzzz 20:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- The first entry in each finalist list is the winner for that category. Winners get a Wikimania 2006 t-shirt :) +sj + 15:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
cool! so how do I go about collecting my prize ;-) Zzzzz 11:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
hi, i replied back to your "wikimania award" message via email, could you just confirm you received it? cheers. Zzzzz 20:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:1.0
Hey, Sj. Hopefully you're now back to normal after Wikimania. However, we need a bit of help from the SPC/Static version subcommittee here. Could you tell us what you think would be the way to proceed there? Oh, and you may want to remove the spam above... I tried to revert it, but I would have to remove and repost too many edits... Titoxd(?!?) 22:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- If I can butt in on this conversation, the 1.0 folks who met at Wikimania (Kirill & I, Tomas from Poland and Emmanuel from France) agreed we should set up a sub-page off the Static Version meta page where we would discuss these things. I've been very busy this week but hopefully one of us can get something put up there soon - a lot of ideas for 1.0 came out of Wikimania. In the meantime, Sj, re our discussion on validation etc, perhaps you could take a look at Wikipedia:Pushing to validation which reflects how I saw the consensus emerging. Please forgive my intrusion - thanks, Walkerma 03:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks to you both. I've commented a bit on that page; the general validation consensus looks excellent. We should be careful not to talk about "uneditable revision" -- mediawiki stores all revisions, making each of them effectively uneditable. There is a UI question of how to show certain people a consistent revision once it's flagged as stable/validated, but this is interface and not core code. +sj + 15:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Nuevo logo para Wikipedia en Nahuatl
Hola Sj, me dirijo a ti para solictarte me pudieras ayudar a proteger el nuevo logotipo de la Wikipedia en nahuatl, y en su caso si fuera posible que tu lo hicieras, cambiarlo, la imagen es la siguiente: nah:Imagen:Wiki.png, de antemano muchas gracias por tu ayuda, Saludos! Battroid (Niltze?)
[edit] Enterprise 2.0
Unbelievable how quickly all this happens. Thanks much for your help/oversight on this -- I really appreciate it. Any further pointers on how to make this an entry that WP can be proud of would be great.
What's the timeline for making a decision on this article?
+amcafee + 00:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Remaining work on Version 0.5
Hi Sj, I wondered if you could take a look at my recent post and give me some feedback? Thanks! Walkerma 05:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vote on Fir0002 FPC set
Hi Sj!
Hope you can spare the time to put your thoughts on this set. Thanks! --Fir0002 11:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thursday IRC chat??
Sj, Are we (WP1.0/0.5) going to talk on Thursday evening EST as you proposed? That looks to be the better time for most people - Kirill and Anthere mention they will try to make it, and I expect others may be interested too. Will it be IRC? Can you confirm a time and location for it? Thanks, Walkerma 23:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New comment
Hello: in early July, I attended the National Educators' Computing Conference in San Diego and was thrilled to hear about the $100 Laptop initiative at Nicholas Negroponte's address! I could see an immediate fit with SelfDesign, a dynamic online school run by Wondertree Foundation, a non-profit society. SelfDesign presently serves learners in British Columbia, Canada and is poised to attract children of all nations. Our bottom-up learning model is deeply rooted in the passion of learners and our Village of Conversations is a rich environment with a multitude of learning opportunities from peers and mentors. In discussions with our leadership team, we found a great fit between the $100 Laptop initiative and SelfDesign. We are prepared to offer access to our online Village of Conversations to any child on the planet with a laptop from your program (and are willing to negotiate non-profit sponsorship or support to fund this access). We can envision a world of educational opportunity here for children of all nations--a voice for all and a connection with a literate and passionate learning community. Please find below a letter to Nicholas Negroponte (originally sent earlier this month) from Brent Cameron, SelfDesign Founder and Executive Director, providing further details about SelfDesign. I looking forward with anticipation to a chance to discuss this exciting opportunity further with your organization.
Darrell Letourneau SelfDesign Executive dletourneauATselfdesign_DOT_org
Hello Nicholas,
A colleague of mine just attended a conference in the US and informed me about the One Laptop Per Child initiative. It sounds very exciting and I think an significantly important initiative. I would like to support your work by introducing to you our projects in Canada. For the past 23 years we have been researching a whole new way of thinking about learning. We have been using computers and laptops as integral aspects in our program as we do education entirely differently than schooling. We have won numerous Canadian National Awards for our unique use of technology in education.
I have written a book illustrating what it is that is so unique to make it a new paradigm for learning, and a 'beyond schooling' model. Our methodology is aligned with a global, ecologically oriented learning community model where communities of people nurture the enthusiasm of children to learn in the context of living and engaging in the world.
I would like to offer you a copy of our book as an invitation to discuss how our work could help rethink how laptops in the hands of children around the world could be most profoundly used.
Currently we are offering a unique learning community experience for over 400 learners in BC. It could be a prototype for your global initiative. For example in BC there are over 30 distance or distributed learning programs that use the internet and computers to broadcast the same curriculum in schools to children sitting at computers at home. SelfDesign does not offer curriculum or distribute learning. Our internet village is a context for recursive conversations that support the natural enthusiasm of all children to explore and discover themselves in their world.
This model is from the book SelfDesign: Nurturing Genius Through Natural Learning and you can find out more about us on our website - www.selfdesign.org. Please let me know where to send a copy of my book and I will mail it immediately.
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Brent
Brent Cameron M.A. (Ph.D.) Executive Director / Principal Wondertree Foundation for Natural Learning Box 74560 Vancouver, BC Canada V6K 4P4 4196 W 4th Vancouver, BC V6R 4J5 - Learning Center Wondertree office 604-224-3663 fax 224-3662 SelfDesign Learning Community office 604-224-3640 Sirdar home 250-866-5341 Boulder Colorado home and office 303-554-9334 until Aug 1/06 after August 1/06 - 970-372-1316 internet phone 303-800-0819 brentcameronATwondertree*DOT*org www.wondertree.org www.selfdesign.org www.selfdesign.com
[edit] Enterprise 2.0
Thanks for the note on my talk page. I really like your proposed solution, and have put a note of support for it in the AFD discussion. Great job! Fairsing 00:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Hold on. The final result of the AFD process was a keep, which means that the 'Enterprise 2.0 article stays as a separate article. To quote Phil: "The result was keep. The arguments for deletion are not to my mind persuasive, and it turns out that rather than being a neologism, the term has in fact been around for some time. There is no question that we need an article about this subject..." Could you please honor this decision and restore the most recent version of the Enterprise 2.0 article?Amcafee 22:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to bug you again, but can you provide any insight on who was involved in the final deletion review -- the one that resulted in the 'keep' and the message from Phil -- and how it was conducted? It's the only part of the process that doesn't seem completely transparent to me. Am I just not looking in the right place?Amcafee 21:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Apologies re: CVU MfD Debate
As I wrote on pschemp's talk page, I feel I owe you a similar apology and explanation:
"You're right in that my "debate" with John on the CVU MfD was becoming all-consuming, was bordering on the personal level, and was beginning to disrupt the flow of the MfD itself. I apologize for my part in causing any such disruption, and -- for my blood pressure, if for nothing else -- I'll agree to stay off the page until it runs its course. That said, I am somewhat hurt by your suggestion that "everyone is tired" of my contributions and/or that they are "adding nothing to the debate." By most accounts my arguments have been the entire debate on behalf of the "Delete" side of the coin. As before, I apologize for losing my temper and for being the least bit disruptive. But I would argue that my "disruption" of that argument was the result of getting constantly badgered and baited into it by the other user in question. I know and realize I should have been the better man and not responded on the page. But no one else was arguing back, so I felt compelled to defend myself. At this point I'm rambling, but the point is, I'm backing off, and I'm sorry if you were offended or annoyed."
Sincerely and respectfully, Dr Chatterjee 00:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Release versions
You said:
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- The first section -- small and refined -- is indeed 'halfway', at least until it grows to encompass most of WP. The other two sections definitely contain material with varied quality, depth, and tone / intended audience; which is why they could make fine appendices. But perhaps I did not understand what you meant :-) +sj + 21:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I think you understand me, we just disagree about the conclusion. :) Elements that are strongly for different audiences should usually be different products. It's roughly like combining a Ferrari with a Hummer.
- I am OK with the combination as long as the "good" does not outweigh the "important". That turns the project into a different animal. Maurreen 21:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Bloggers guide to criticising Wikipedia
The series you announced in this post on your blog sounded interesting; hows it going? JesseW, the juggling janitor 06:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Up to the second post! Check your blogfeeds. +sj + 01:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Image:Bald.eagle.longshot.arp-sh.375pix.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Bald.eagle.longshot.arp-sh.375pix.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Psychonaut 00:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikimania
Hi Sj!
I was just wondering when the final results for the media contest will be announced? Thanks, --Fir0002 09:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hello :) They have been released; the first finalist listed in each category was the winner in that cat. A separate announcement should really be drafted on-wiki, though. +sj + 18:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh OK, but what about the prize winners? --Fir0002 08:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anarchopedia
Hi,
With all due respect, I don't understand what could confuse you regarding the decision. There was a consensus to delete based on the lack of verifible, reliable sources. The cite couldn't be a source for itself, and those citations where the only ones available at the time I deleted the thing.
I'll be the first to admit that I know little about life outside of the English 'pedia, but the presence of articles in other languages has never really occurred to me as being significant. While WP:V binds all 'pedias, I've always thought the the particulars of what constituted a reliable source for a certain classes of article could vary between different language 'pedias, as it varies also between academic cultures in different countries.
In this case, Anarchopedia was deleted as part of an effort to increase the stringency of requiring third-party reliable sources -- other 'pedias might not yet have adopted this stringency, and may not do so; but, English 'pedia is moving in that direction in an effort, among other reasons, to gain academic respect.
I haven't looked at your stub yet, but I won't touch it; others might, of course. Best wishes, Xoloz 09:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- The stub is also lacking verifiable reliable sources, really, both as to existence and (more crucially, because we do know it exists) notability. There is a guideline for webpage notability, WP:WEB, that AfD applied in this case. If you hadn't personally intervened, I would G4 this, but oh well... somebody will probably catch it soon anyway. Xoloz 09:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, I've noticed something -- You're a fellow "H-bomber!" :) I'm a former proud resident of Canaday and Leverett Towers myself. This has only increased my sense of colleagial regard for you, obviously, so I feel comfortable being frank: I think you've got this one wrong, and think I Wikipedia is better off if I CSD G4 this thing. This AfD closure is consistent with notability guidelines -- looking at your contribution history and considering your confusion over the AfD closure, you might be a bit out-of-touch with the increased strictness in enforcing reliable source requirements. I'm going to go ahead and G4 your stub, trusting that no Harvardian would take such a thing personally. Being a physicist adept and a Bostonian, if you ever run into Howard Georgi, tell him he is anonymously loved! ;) Best wishes, Xoloz 22:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anarchopedia re-creation
I echo the above concerns about the re-creation of Anarchopedia. In particular, I don't see that the concerns brought up in the AfD, lack of verifiability in particular, has been addressed. Do you have reliable sources to support an article on this topic? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vote on Fir0002 FPC set
Hi Sj,
I was wondering if you could spare the time to have a look at these. Thanks! --Fir0002 10:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Sorry to ask again so soon, but I've got another small set, with really minor differences, but differences I can't choose b/w! Thanks. --Fir0002 08:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Joining
Hej SJ, dear,
since we saw each other, in that late night after WikiSym, I got the scholarship. I started last week the PhD, on Wikipedia, apparently... I'm happy. Anyway, I wanted to let you know, and obviously to ask for long-term help during the next 4 years. I don't exactly know yet what direction the project will take, except that I would like to keep a philosophical stance and not just sociological. Anyway, the title is Cooperation in Emergent Cognition of Socio-technological networks, the case of wikipedia. So, to start with, I guess I need a post at the research list, introducing myself, and then contact some people, Jakob, Ingo, others?
hug. rut
Vulpeto 10:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sorting of pseudo-votes
This is a really bad idea. in fact, the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion says really clearly "Please do not refactor the discussion into lists or tables of recommendations, however much you may think that this helps the process." Thanks mate.
brenneman {L} 04:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why Uncle G said this is a bad idea, but a) he clearly meant this to apply to VfD, and b) this kind of refactoring is occasionally quite helpful, with votes of any kind -- particularly in cases where people are tqalking across one another and voting on or discussing very different things in the same space. As happened here. +sj + 14:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:NOT
Though just a wording change, I think any changes to policy text should be discussed first. You wording change gave the text a different tone, and tone is sometimes as important as content. Thanks! --SquidSK (1MC•log) 18:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikimania Awards
Hi. Can you tell me if The KLF won an award? Why was WP:KLF not even notified that we were in the running? Why was [[user:|Zzzzz]] listed as the author of the article when his role was negligible? He's not even in the WikiProject. The most cursory scan of the article history would show that it's primarily the work of me and User:Vinoir.
I was just looking for shout outs to our article on Google, and discovered that my work had been nominated for an award under somebody else's name, and that it might even have won a prize that I haven't seen. Can you imagine how gutted and cheated I feel about that? --kingboyk 12:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP Picture dump
Sj - an ssh login to a server holding the raw dumps would be mighty fine! Username andyr ? Wizzy…☎ 08:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] chemwiki
Hi, I got your name from Martin Walker, who told me you also have an account on his chemwiki, and he suggested you might be interested/capable in helping us with some new extensions.
I have written a specialpage similar to the special:booksources-page, but then for a set of chemical identifiers (CAS, InChI, etc.), and an extension to make writing chemical formulae in a mediawiki more easy (http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chemistry). Currently I am writing some more, specialistic tags, which might be appropriate on a chemical wiki.
We would like the specialpage to be enabled on en.wikipedia.org, it would give an opportunity to remove a lot of bias in external links (see also at least three of the discussions on my talk-page). The <chemform>-tags would be nice, but not really necessary. I currently have no public place to test these or show it to the public (I run three mediawikis on my laptop, but cannot open them to the public for the moment). For the last couple of days I have been bugging Tim and Brion on IRC, but they seem to be very busy.
Could you help me, e.g. finding a mediawiki where I could show the function of these extensions to the (chemical) public (chemwiki would be great, but it is quite a basic install, though it should work there)? Cheers! --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] The Gathering Storm
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[edit] Russian Copyright Law issues
What do you think about commons:Commons:Village pump#Russian Copyright Law issues concerning edits in Wikipedia made by Russian citizens? --217.118.90.1 19:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image:American white ibis2.jpg
Hello, I have nominated Image:American white ibis2.jpg for delisting from Wikipedia:Featured pictures as I feel it no longer lives up to current FP standards. The discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/American White Ibis delist. --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Version 0.5 IRC
Hi Sj,
Yes, I think we will need to have another chat again soon. Probably not this coming weekend, but perhaps the weekend after. What do you think? I've been busy at work so it's been hard to work on finding a publisher. If you know anyone suitable, by all means sound them out, if WMF folks are OK with that! Regards, Walkerma 06:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- On a related topic thanks for the note. Last time the physical checking was done offline in a room (we have an office in the centre of Cambridge so volunteers are easy). We might do this online this time: give me a couple of weeks to answer again --BozMo talk 14:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] hugs!
*Kylu gives you a great big hug!* (I figure hand-typing it is more sincere than a template, ne?) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Wikispecies
Hi Sj, I just noticed that you are an admin at Wikispecies. Why is that? I simply don't see why you should be one. Ucucha 19:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Upcoming NYC Meetup
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[edit] Wikimania
Hi Sj!
Sorry to bother you about this again, but you either didn't see it or forgot to reply to my message higher up in the list. Anyway I was asking who the prize winners were? --Fir0002 11:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks Sj, but you actually already told me that. What I was asking is who won the prizes, particularly the Nokia? --Fir0002 21:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] general disclaimer.
I have a bit of trouble with your last edits to the most important document on wp... you added "You may see something offensive before it gets moderated out." There's a problem with this sentence in that many things that would be offensive to many people are never "moderated out" -- i.e. all the sex articles. Also, "This is the Internet" is a) rude, and b) untrue. "This" (wp) is *not* the internet! On the internet at large, you can't edit most things. I'd change it to be softer: "wikipedia may contain offensive material." I'd edit it myself except for that dratted lack of adminship. -- phoebe 01:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- cheers :) there has to be a good way to say "don't get your panties in a bunch" without, you know, being mean to the underwear-dysfunctional. Sadly for those whose panties are already bunched this rarely works. -- phoebe 07:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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