Talk:Celtic punk

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Cleaned this article up a bit. Biq question: What pages link here? I see Celtic Fusion and The Pogues do. Perhaps this page is ultimately unnecessary, or should forward to Celtic Fusion? If we could add more than this one paragraph, I could see the merit of keeping it. I'm not sure I have much to say without doing the research. Bjart 03:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Click "What links here" from the toolbox on the main page. I have heard The Tossers live and though I wasnt exactly enamorated with them they definantly qualified as 'Celtic punk.' We should attempt to increase the visibility of this page and see where it goes. Dan, the CowMan 05:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

This page needs a list of bands representing the genre. Look at the Celtic Rock article as an example. I have tried to add a list numerous times, only to have them deleted by other users. For a genre as small as this, a list of relevent bands should be included. At the least, this article should include links to various Celtic Punk bands.

I agree that it should have some, and it does name a few examples. A huge list of bands, especially one which includes "lesser-known" bands is simply an invitation to add every single band known to man into this article, which is unencyclopedic and unhelpful. Perhaps creating Category:Celtic punk would better suit what you're looking to do? (And FYI: Celtic Rock is a redirect to Folk-rock). Fightindaman 06:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, the article I was reffering to is Celtic rock. And this genre is comprised of fewer than twenty bands, making it reasonable to, at the least, include a list of them for reference. Lists of bands are included in most other musical genre articles.

For a look at a good article on a music genre, see Heavy metal music. It was a featured article and, surprise surprise, dosen't have an unseemly list of bands tagged on to the end. Examples are fine, a list of all is not. Make a category. Fightindaman 22:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This article could use a new picture, as the current one is of a Gaelic Punk, not a Celtic Punk, band. And a list, as with the Celtic rock article. —This unsigned comment was added by 172.190.215.60 (talk • contribs) .

Actually, as I already pointed out, Heavy metal music which is a featured article about a music genre has no such list, so we should probably follow this model versus Celtic rock.

[edit] Ska?

I edited out a reference to ska a few months ago and now there's another one. How is this relevant? What "traditional instrumentation" does ska feature, and whose tradition is it? How is that tradition related to celtic punk? I was under the impression that most of ska's instrumentation was lifted from the American R&B scene of the 50s/60s.

Same with the reference to "Gypsy Punk." I think it would be better to either link to folk rock, folk punk, etc and let it play out from there unless there are direct connections to be made (e.g., the majority of gypsy punk bands being directly inspired by celtic punk bands). 149.159.112.45 01:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Ska is a mixture of american jazz with more traditional calypso rhythms and instrumentation. It often makes use of traditional african and indian folk instruments. I mentioned it, along with Gypsy punk, in order to demonstrate the relationship between celtic punk and other types of folk punk, particularly in regards to instrumentation. However, i agree that a mention of, and link to, the folk rock article would serve this purpose just as well.

Calypso is more of a Trinidad thing, as described on its page. There isn't really a lot of traditional mento instrumentation in ska, especially not in ska punk. Bjart 02:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stub

This article is labeled a stub. What more do we want to see? I would be tempted to add a more detailed history, but I don't get the impression that celtic punk's history has been continuous. Bjart 20:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I updated the page a bit by adding links to other early and influential bands, like The Men They Couldn't Hang and Roaring Jack from Australia. There was also a link to Neck that I fixed. (BTW, they're a great band that has contributed to some movie soundtracks; one of their songs gave Shite 'n' Onions its name. I thought that was enough to give `em a link.) -- mrdano 15:05, 12 Sept 2006

I cleaned up some of the recent additions to help the article flow once again. I have a feeling more can be said, but a lot of it is already said or should be said on the numerous linked articles. Bjart 08:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Good improvements. Does this still qualify as a stub? Is there a process for un-stub-ification? Mrdano 15:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that's up to us to decide. I'm considering dragging up my copies of The Lost Decade, A Drink with Shane MacGowan, or any interviews with the likes of Flogging Molly on their influences, the genre, etc. It really seems to me that Celtic punk was less a genre proper and more something that has been invented a few times over, but this may be changing thanks to the internet. A troll through DZM's forums and archives might be in order as well. Bjart 20:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm casting my vote for removing the stub classification. As for the genre, I'm guessing it's been around and just way under the radar for a long time. Pub rock was one of the precursors to Punk, so it only seems logical that pub rock from Irish pubs would have a Celtic flavor. I've been listening to the Dubliners a lot lately; they're definitely not punk, but their music has some of the same characteristics -- working class concerns, a slight political edge to some of their songs, love of the drink and general rowdiness, etc. Their collaboration with the Pogues on The Irish Rover was great.

If you know of links to early reviews or other info, you might consider adding a section of external links to them. Mrdano 15:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

If we only include links, they should should on the artist pages, I think. But if the aim is to incorporate more information, I'd recommend starting with the Pogues.com site and The Lost Decade. I'm sure there are interviews on the origins of other bands out there.Bjart 20:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template added

I created a genrebox template for this page and added a link, following the examples of the Punk Rock and Christian Music templates. Its page is here if you want to edit it. Mrdano 21:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)